General Category => Restoration Projects => Topic started by: Cocina_47 on July 26, 2017, 04:49:55 PM
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Hey,
I picked this up on Monday after Portland. This is a bike that I saw at Oley back in April. It had been on my mind since then. The guy that had it lives outside of Buffalo NY. About 10 miles where I grew up. Today only about an hour and a half from where I live now.
He had it at Wauseon and thought he had it sold but the guy backed out... :)
I guess it was meant to be. ;D
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Congrats on your new purchase1 Lovin' that breather!
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X2 - Congrats ...
It looks to be pretty much complete . Nice find .
Pete . :)
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"H" manual posted in Manuals section.
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Dave, you have caught the Portland disease! Lol
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Dave, you have caught the Portland disease! Lol
But , don't worry too much , Dave . It's not usually fatal . :D
Pete . :)
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Dave, I saw that a Wauseon too. That really appears to be a complete survivor. Glad it found a home. Wasn't much Simplex a Wauseon. But there sure was alot of other cool stuff. Congrats! See you at Portland next year. Bob
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Thanks guys,
Yes, I know I have the Portland illness. I think it's great that I've found me another 47'.
The guys I bought it from says it runs. The tank and gas needs to be cleaned out. I will report after it gets some fresh gas.
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Great find Dave. Will you be doing a complete restore on this '47 also? Rick C.
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Great find Dave. Will you be doing a complete restore on this '47 also? Rick C.
I'm not sure at this point. To redo the chrome might be out of my operating capital. I might just do a survivor style with a little love added in. :-)
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Dave ,
I wonder if maybe zinc would satisfy you as a 'replacement' for that chrome .
Eitek1 offered the idea to me a short while ago :
I'm picking up on the back end of the thread so I may not have all the details but have you thought about electrolysis for rust removal? You'd have to take your engine apart to do it but you could follow up with a zinc plating and I'm betting it would look new. Also you wouldn't have to worry about some weird heat retention effect from the coating.
You can do this all in your garage with a little experimenting to make sure your settings and solutions are correct.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Electrolytic-Rust-Removal-aka-Magic/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/Electrolytic-Rust-Removal-aka-Magic/)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gxq4rmzfxac (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gxq4rmzfxac)
I did a bit more research and came up with the following 'formula' :
"Grepper's summary of what he'd read.
Electroplating occurs in an electrolytic substance of free ions which are the carriers of electric current. Here this is, Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) and Vinegar (acid). Connected to the positive of an electric power source an anode made of zinc, attracting negatively charged ions causing Oxidation. At the negative side of the power source is the cathode, attracting positively charged cations, moving ions away toward the anode. Here it provides electrons to the cations to convert them back to the parent metal (zinc). This process is called reduction.
In short, the zinc leaves the positive side and binds itself to the negative side.
Supplies:
Various measuring cups, postal scale for measuring by weight, copper pipe and wire, and a plastic tub.
Epsom salts (pharmacy section of your local grocery store)
White Vinegar (baking section of your local grocery store)
Zinc Sulfate (available online, reduces time and increases quality of the plating)
Karo brand corn syrup. (baking section of your local grocery store, contains glucose that acts as a brightener by keeping the zinc crystals in alignment)
Zinc Anode, (online or in home stores in desert climates as it’s used for evaporative (swamp) coolers)
A DC Power Supply, low amps (1A to 300mA).
Solution:
4.5 liters water ( 1.18 Gallons )
300 grams Epsom salts ( 10.58 Ounces )
100 grams zinc sulfate ( 3.53 Ounces )
200ml of white vinegar ( .85 Cups )
1/3 bottle of corn syrup
Stir in plastic tub till dissolved.
Setup:
Suspend Zinc Anode(s) in solution and hook up to positive of DC Power Supply.
Have copper bar go across top of the plastic tub, copper wires wrapped around bar, so you can suspend parts in solution without touching Zinc Anode(s)."
I'm sure it wouldn't be as shiny / reflective as chrome , but it'd be fairly durable and it seems pretty cheap to accomplish .
Pete . :)
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The saying, : Chrome don't get ya Home" only applies at the race track. Go for it! Don't see a lot of chrome on Servi's. Be like Johnny cash if you have to. "one piece at a time"! LoL
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Pete,
Sounds simple enough. I will have to keep that on the table. Not really sure where I'm going to end up yet, but thanks for putting that out there.
I'm first going to try just see how much a can clean up the chrome with just plain old Coke and aluminum foil. If it cleans up decent and I can buff it up and wax it, that may decide where I go with my restoration.
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Did ya put some fresh gas in that ole servi yet!?
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Yes I did. Three kicks and she started right up! Hadn't been started in over three years.
I'm in the process of taking it a part. Hope to get it all broken down before the snow flies. That way I can work on the little stuff over the winter. Then if all goes as planed I will be able to put it back together in the spring and have me a new running scooter. :-)
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Yes I did. Three kicks and she started right up! Hadn't been started in over three years.
I'm in the process of taking it a part. Hope to get it all broken down before the snow flies. That way I can work on the little stuff over the winter. Then if all goes as planed I will be able to put it back together in the spring and have me a new running scooter. :-)
It's a lot easier to fiddle with the little things when the motor is copacetic .
From the looks of the long range forecast for the Northeast , this will be a good Winter to have an indoor project . ;)
Pete . :)
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Yes and I hate winter so I'll have something to be a detraction for the cold and the wind and the snow. Brrrrr I'm cold just thinking about it!
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Here are a couple of pics.
The first one show the gas filter mounted to the tank support bar. My 1st bike doesn't have that. I mounted the gas filter directly to the tank.
The motor after its first cleaning.
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I had a frame that I sold that had the fuel sediment bowl mounted to the tank support.
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Is your's mounted to the tank? I thought it was the tank support like the pic.
I had a frame that I sold that had the fuel sediment bowl mounted to the tank support.
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The sediment bowl on my '48 is mounted to the tank. Here are some photos I found of a bracket mounted bowl. Kind of a unique ride.
http://2ndavenuescooters.com/?p=3162
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Looks like a regular sediment bowl to me. It looks like he doesn't have the room to mount it where it should.
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Dave. I noticed in the H manual. It has a pic of your number 2 bike. And shows the remote mounted glass fuel bowl. Maybe bike number 2 is an earlier H than your other one.
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Just trying to understand this whole sediment bowl thing. Here is an ebay link to a well documented bike with a small engine number. I figure your first H must be later on in the H models to have tank mounted glass bowl. Is there a hole in the tank mount and it just didn't get used?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1947-Simplex-Servi-Cycle-H-Model-/132373576456?hash=item1ed2147b08:g:vCoAAOSwux5YRIBt
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Just trying to understand this whole sediment bowl thing. Here is an ebay link to a well documented bike with a small engine number. I figure your first H must be later on in the H models to have tank mounted glass bowl. Is there a hole in the tank mount and it just didn't get used?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1947-Simplex-Servi-Cycle-H-Model-/132373576456?hash=item1ed2147b08:g:vCoAAOSwux5YRIBt
Tom ,
I'm not understanding where you think that hole should be .
Pete . :)
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Just wondering when Simplex stopped mounting the bowl on the bracket and moved it to the bottom of the tank. Plus Dave has an air breather that is real close to a '48. Maybe his first bike is one of the models as they transitioned from the H models into the '48s.
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Seems that would be very possible as we've run across 'mid year' changes before .
Pete . :)
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Hi All,
Kartjocky is interested in the number of my first bike's motor number. This is a pic from when I was doing my research on the bike. I hadn't touched it yet. It was still as it had been for the last 50 years or so that our family had owned it. He has been doing some research on the H motor bikes...
Here is the pic of it.
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Kartjocky,
Looks like the my original bike's motor number is newer then the new bike's motor number by 5,764 motors.
Hummm... Not what I would have expected to find out but who knows. The H motor bikes seem to be mongrels. :)
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Dave ,
Mutts are usually better , overall , than a pure bred . Seems the best 'parts' are intermingled . ;)
Pete . :)
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Hey Dave, have you made any progress?
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Yeah Yeah Dave. How is it going!? And if you need a decal for the #1 bike air breather Foxgrips on Ebay has the correct one for ten bucks. (United Specialties Company)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/253456967203?ViewItem=&vxp=mtr&item=253456967203